Transcript of the 1st official NetBeans Community Quiz
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Topic: NetBeans features and history Date: Thursday, July 13th - 2006 Time: 5:00 p.m. CET (3:00 p.m. UTC) Conversation: netbeansChat Client: NetBeans Developer Collaboration module Total number of participants: 8 |
| 16:57:32 | avbravo joined the conversation |
| 16:57:33 | Glenn Holmer joined the conversation |
| 16:57:33 | Cesilko joined the conversation |
| 16:58:36 | Cesilko I believe you both guys are gonna play ! |
| 16:59:29 | Glenn Holmer Hi Gregg, are you going to tell us the latest gossip about NetBeans? |
| 16:59:59 | Cesilko What a shame that only few guys came. |
| 17:00:31 | Gregg Sporar Hi Glenn, no I'm just here to watch what happens. |
| 17:00:56 | Cesilko Can you guys see my messages ? |
| 17:01:01 | Glenn Holmer Yes. |
| 17:01:51 | Cesilko Well, in spite of tight schedule I would recommend to wait 5 more minutes. OK ? |
| 17:02:10 | Glenn Holmer OK. |
| 17:02:42 | Cesilko I think you have great chance to guess all 10 question correctly and win the Golem ! |
| 17:03:06 | Glenn Holmer LOL, I want to be a golem when I grow up |
| 17:05:25 | Dean Iverson joined the conversation |
| 17:05:40 | Cesilko I got an e-mail from Masoud that he will come too. |
| 17:06:31 | avbravo excellent |
| 17:06:32 | Cesilko OK, the time has come. |
| 17:06:51 | Cesilko Hello everybody. Let me officially welcome you in the very first NetBeans Community Quiz in the history. |
| 17:07:11 | Cesilko I hope you all sit comfortably and will enjoy the next 1 hour. |
| 17:07:27 | Cesilko OK, before we start let's check out the process. I will now ask one easy question and you try to answer as soon as possible, ok ? |
| 17:07:35 | Glenn Holmer OK |
| 17:08:01 | Cesilko It's only a pace lap so you get no Q-point but we will see how it works. So, the question is: |
| 17:08:08 | Cesilko What's the project name of the new NetBeans revolutionary GUI builder ? |
| 17:08:13 | Glenn Holmer Matisse |
| 17:08:18 | avbravo matisse |
| 17:08:24 | Cesilko Cool ! |
| 17:08:46 | Cesilko Well, one has to type fast, right ? |
| 17:09:34 | Cesilko Cool, it seems to kind of work so we can move on to the real contest. So, let me ask the first question. |
| 17:09:46 | Cesilko Are you ready Dean ? |
| 17:09:54 | Dean Iverson Yep |
| 17:10:19 | Cesilko Fine. This should not be hard for those who watch NetBeans open source project. The question is under which license is NetBeans distributed ? |
| 17:11:09 | Dean Iverson CDDL? |
| 17:11:23 | Cesilko Yes, you are right. CDDL is the correct answer although two weeks ago it was SPL. Yarda Tulach did the amazing job and updated headers of ~40.000 files in 2 CVS branches! |
| 17:11:31 | Glenn Holmer Sun Public License (SPL) |
| 17:11:57 | Cesilko No, Dean is right and gets his first Q point ! |
| 17:12:03 | avbravo cddl |
| 17:12:27 | Cesilko Cool guys, I am glad you found it. More info is available here: http://nbbuild.netbeans.org/fix-cddl.html |
| 17:12:38 | Glenn Holmer Well I guess Yarda couldn't update 5.0's Help/About... |
| 17:13:35 | Cesilko That's right. However, my question was not targeting 5.0 release but project as a whole. Anyway, congrats Dean ! |
| 17:13:48 | Glenn Holmer I will have to read the news more often |
| 17:14:22 | Cesilko Okay, let's move on. |
| 17:14:33 | Cesilko Second question: NetBeans editor has a popular feature called "hippie completion". Now I want to know a short description and appropriate shortcut of this time saver? |
| 17:15:38 | midicat joined the conversation |
| 17:15:49 | Dean Iverson Ctrl-K, it searches around your document for a completion to the word you are typing (and other documents too). |
| 17:15:54 | Cesilko Hi midicat ! |
| 17:16:13 | midicat hi Cesilko, hi all |
| 17:16:20 | Cesilko Yes ! Correct answer is that hippie completion is context based completion of words forward or backward. The shortcut is Ctrl+K or Ctrl+L. |
| 17:16:32 | Cesilko For example, if you want to complete the famous Pink Floyds' song "Is there anybody out t|" and press Ctrl+K at position denoted by | character, editor completes "there" as the first previous word beginning with "t" char. |
| 17:16:41 | avbravo ctrl+k or ctrl+l |
| 17:17:08 | Cesilko Correct avbravo ! Dean has 2 points already ! Congratulation ... |
| 17:17:10 | Cesilko Just curious, is there anybody out there who didn't know about this cool thing ? |
| 17:17:39 | Glenn Holmer I didn't, I am learning about NetBeans today. Every so often I go over the shortcut list, but I don't remember to try them all. |
| 17:17:53 | midicat I knew about it, but often forget the shortcut |
| 17:18:32 | Cesilko Well, I tell you I don't know many shortcuts but this one I try to use even in Mozilla which does not support it. |
| 17:18:56 | midicat <lol> |
| 17:20:11 | Cesilko Fine, the third Q point is prepared. Topic is history of NetBeans. |
| 17:20:26 | Dean Iverson Does anyone know why it is called hippie completion?` |
| 17:20:54 | Cesilko Not sure about it Dean. |
| 17:21:19 | Gregg Sporar I have always heard that for some reason it was called hippie completion in emacs, and the name moved over from there.... |
| 17:21:25 | avbravo 1996 project originally called Xelfi |
| 17:21:44 | Dean Iverson Thanks! |
| 17:21:53 | Cesilko 3rd: As many of you know Sun acquired private held company NetBeans in 1999. The question is who was the founder of NetBeans and what is his/her nationality. Note that I am interested in both name and surname! |
| 17:22:11 | Glenn Holmer Roman Stanek (Czech) |
| 17:22:22 | avbravo Czech Republic |
| 17:22:23 | Cesilko Yes, it was Roman Stanek. His nationality is Czech as many folks in NetBeans engineering team. |
| 17:22:33 | avbravo Roman Stanek |
| 17:23:00 | Cesilko Congratulations Glenn ! This time you were faster than your own shadow ! |
| 17:23:06 | midicat Gee guys, you're writting faster than I'm thinking |
| 17:23:09 | Cesilko Cool avbravo. |
| 17:23:24 | Cesilko @ midicat |
| 17:24:10 | Cesilko And this one should be easy. The first player who provides a way how to turn on font antialiasing in NetBeans editor, gets a Q point. |
| 17:24:50 | Dean Iverson There is a setting in the advanced editor properties |
| 17:24:57 | Cesilko Where exactly ? |
| 17:25:36 | midicat Options -> Editing -> Editor Settings |
| 17:25:45 | Glenn Holmer Tools/Options/Advanced/Editor settings/Expert |
| 17:25:52 | Toni Epple joined the conversation |
| 17:26:16 | avbravo Tools-Options-Editor |
| 17:26:26 | Cesilko The correct procedure is to go to "Tools|Options", push "Advanced Options", select "Editing|Editor Settings" node and check "Text Antialiasing" option. |
| 17:27:03 | Cesilko Well, I think midicat deserves the point ! Congratulations. |
| 17:27:26 | Toni Epple left the conversation |
| 17:27:26 | Cesilko Just a quick research. How many of you actually use antialiasing in editor ? |
| 17:27:49 | Dean Iverson I turned it on as soon as I found it! |
| 17:27:56 | midicat I do in the while system |
| 17:28:01 | Cesilko Which means when ? |
| 17:28:30 | midicat sorry, whole system, including NetBeans, since it's turned on by default |
| 17:28:30 | Dean Iverson About a week after I started using Netbeans. |
| 17:29:14 | Cesilko I see then. |
| 17:29:43 | Cesilko Do you know how to turn on AA for whole IDE ? |
| 17:30:10 | Dean Iverson IMHO, AA should be turned on by default (and I think it is on the Mac, at least I don't remember having to do it on OS X, just Linux). |
| 17:30:31 | Dean Iverson It is so much easier on the eyes! |
| 17:31:50 | Dean Iverson -Dswing.aatext=true |
| 17:31:52 | midicat use latest 6.0 JDK |
| 17:32:02 | Cesilko Something happened ? |
| 17:32:08 | Dean Iverson In the conf file, that is... |
| 17:32:36 | Gregg Sporar > Something happened ? Not that I noticed. Are you seeing a problem? |
| 17:32:47 | Dean Iverson Everything is fine here |
| 17:33:00 | Cesilko Well, it's okay now. I couldn't write for couple of minutes. |
| 17:33:21 | Cesilko OK. Now comes the first practical exercise. I am gonna share small project with one class QuizTest which calculates a magic number. |
| 17:33:52 | Cesilko If you run it, it ends in never-ending loop soon. Your task is to find out what is the finite value of that magic number when it loops. |
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| 17:37:54 | Cesilko joined the conversation |
| 17:38:24 | Cesilko Did you survive here ? |
| 17:38:48 | midicat 22 |
| 17:38:51 | Gregg Sporar I'm still with you |
| 17:39:25 | Cesilko Somebody ran the app in my IDE which killed it as it looped forever ... |
| 17:39:27 | Dean Iverson Yep, 22. And I'm still here. |
| 17:39:41 | Cesilko Gregg, who was the first ? |
| 17:39:57 | Dean Iverson Looks like midicat got that one. |
| 17:40:25 | Gregg Sporar I believe it was midicat |
| 17:40:29 | Cesilko Okay, in such case midicat gets the point ! |
| 17:41:05 | Cesilko Off-topic: can you guys save the transcript for me as I lost the history ... |
| 17:41:27 | Cesilko Gregg ? |
| 17:41:43 | Gregg Sporar Sure, I should be able to do a save |
| 17:41:46 | midicat sorry, I've been late |
| 17:42:05 | midicat I can save only since 17:15 |
| 17:42:21 | Cesilko No problem, just do it every 10 minutes in case you get disconnected too ... |
| 17:42:54 | Cesilko OK, so correct answer is 22. The point of this exercise was to highlight conditional breakpoints. All you needed was to setup a breakpoint at line 34 and customize its condition to 'magicNumber==getNewValue(magicNumber)' statement. |
| 17:43:22 | Cesilko Take a look at the breakpoint.png screenshot I have just shared. |
| 17:43:43 | Dean Iverson I'm old fashioned: System.out.println |
| 17:43:43 | avbravo Return, was busy |
| 17:43:52 | Cesilko To be honest were you aware of this feature ? |
| 17:44:25 | Cesilko And can you see the screenshot ? |
| 17:44:43 | Gregg Sporar I can see the screenshot. And I was aware of the feature. |
| 17:44:57 | Cesilko Which is no surprise to me ... |
| 17:45:08 | Dean Iverson Yes and yes. |
| 17:45:08 | midicat I can see the screenshot, but I haven't used this feature before |
| 17:46:02 | Cesilko Perfect ! Now the funny thing (avbravo will get why). |
| 17:46:06 | Cesilko Some of you might know that NetBeans was based on certain student project that originated at Charles University in Prague. So, the question is simple: what's the name of that project ? |
| 17:46:12 | Glenn Holmer Xelfi |
| 17:47:11 | Cesilko Good. Did you know that or avbravo gave you the hint ? |
| 17:47:23 | avbravo in 1996 Xelfi |
| 17:47:26 | Glenn Holmer I knew it, I even have a copy. |
| 17:47:41 | Cesilko The project was called Xelfi and began in 1997 so the next year we will celebrate 10 years anniversary ! |
| 17:48:14 | Cesilko I am sorry avbravo, but Glenn was the first. So Glenn, you have the point ! |
| 17:48:32 | avbravo not problem |
| 17:49:04 | Cesilko Now something easy. Which version of Apache Tomcat web server is bundled with NetBeans 5.0 ? |
| 17:50:23 | Glenn Holmer 5.5.9 |
| 17:50:32 | Cesilko Yes, it is 5.5.9. It was piece of cake, wasn't it ? |
| 17:50:52 | avbravo -5.5.9 |
| 17:51:01 | Cesilko Yep. |
| 17:51:12 | Dean Iverson Unless you happen to use 5.5! |
| 17:51:55 | Cesilko Yup, that's different: 5.5.17 ! Glenn has already 3 points ! |
| 17:52:19 | Glenn Holmer We set up an external copy of 5.5.17 so we are working with the same version as on our servers, it works great even with the HTTP monitor. |
| 17:52:21 | Dean Iverson Mine says 5.5.16, I must be out of date. |
| 17:52:43 | avbravo netbeans 5.5 tomcat 5.5.16 |
| 17:52:57 | avbravo without udpdate |
| 17:53:08 | midicat 5.5.17 |
| 17:54:06 | Cesilko Great. Let's try another kind of harder practical. Please open the QuizTest.xsd schema file that I have just shared. |
| 17:54:20 | Cesilko It contains many <xsd: elements and couple of comments. Your task is to comment all the <xsd: elements (both opening and closing tags) line by line. |
| 17:54:25 | midicat it's empty |
| 17:54:31 | Cesilko What is the best way to achieve that if the file would be 100x times bigger ? |
| 17:54:46 | Cesilko Really ? |
| 17:54:52 | Gregg Sporar Yep. Empty |
| 17:55:11 | Cesilko Now ? |
| 17:55:24 | Gregg Sporar Better! |
| 17:55:26 | midicat now it's ok |
| 17:55:38 | Cesilko Fine, so go for it ! |
| 17:55:50 | avbravo document parse is invalid |
| 17:56:12 | Cesilko It contains errors, but that's okay. |
| 17:56:34 | Cesilko Anybody has an idea ? |
| 17:56:35 | keip joined the conversation |
| 17:56:47 | Cesilko Hi keip ! |
| 17:57:05 | keip hi all guys! |
| 17:58:07 | midicat search&replace |
| 17:58:16 | Cesilko Okay, go on ... |
| 17:58:41 | Cesilko In other word could you be more specific ? |
| 17:58:56 | avbravo thi file is empty? |
| 17:59:01 | Dean Iverson If you were searching and replacing, it would be easiest to use Netbeans' regular expression support. |
| 17:59:33 | Cesilko Yes, and do you know exactly ? |
| 17:59:48 | Dean Iverson You could also record a macro, I suppose, but regex would be easier. |
| 18:00:44 | Dean Iverson Cesilko: Do I know the regex off the top of my head? No. It would probably take me a few tries to get it right. So I would download the live regex plugin first! |
| 18:01:01 | Cesilko OK. Correct answer is to use "Edit|Replace..." feature with regular expressions. Look at the shared screenshot replace.png to get what I mean. |
| 18:01:36 | Cesilko Simply set "Find What:" field to (<[^!?].*)$ and "Replace With:" field to <!-- $1 --> then check "Regular Expressions" option and push "Replace All". |
| 18:01:50 | Cesilko Do you like this ? |
| 18:02:45 | Cesilko So, now I am torn so I give 0.5 point to Dean and 0.5 point to midicat ! |
| 18:02:47 | Dean Iverson Very nice. |
| 18:03:07 | midicat yes, I'm using it from time to time, by I always have to check the regexp help before |
| 18:03:22 | Cesilko Sure, me too. |
| 18:03:44 | midicat btw. regepx description in NetBeans help is too general IMO |
| 18:04:17 | Cesilko Would you recommend to have more specific ? Or appreciate examples ? |
| 18:05:45 | midicat exaples with scalers at least |
| 18:06:18 | Cesilko Fine, I will pass this idea to our docs team. |
| 18:06:40 | Dean Iverson There is a nice plugin that lets you see the results of regex patterns as you type them, but I can't find it right now. It seems very helpful for the trial and error regex'ers like me! |
| 18:07:02 | Cesilko OK. This practical question should be easy. Look at another shared project. It contains class QuizForm.java and dictionary.properties resource bundle. |
| 18:07:13 | midicat I often go to UltraEdit help to see better examples |
| 18:07:48 | Cesilko What would you do to quickly internationalize the class ? |
| 18:08:41 | midicat i would use the wizard |
| 18:08:53 | Cesilko Lead me ... |
| 18:08:54 | midicat internationalization wizard |
| 18:09:18 | Cesilko Do you know where it's located ? |
| 18:09:36 | Dean Iverson Right click the properties file and Add locale... |
| 18:09:41 | avbravo tools internationalize |
| 18:10:17 | Dean Iverson Then open it and translate... |
| 18:10:22 | Cesilko Yes, the most easy way is to invoke "Tools|Internationalization|Internationalization Wizard", push "Next" button twice and "Finish". That's all ! |
| 18:10:48 | Gregg Sporar Off-topic: how much longer will the contest be going? |
| 18:11:11 | midicat it will add all the necessary java.util.ResourceBundle.getBundle("test" .getString("Good_morning,_honey_!" ; |
| 18:11:13 | Cesilko 2 questions left = 10 minutes ? |
| 18:11:23 | Dean Iverson Yes, much easier. |
| 18:11:23 | Gregg Sporar Okay |
| 18:11:55 | Cesilko I think avbravo deserves the point. |
| 18:12:10 | Cesilko Now something about NetBeans customization. Say I have many own XML files with extension *.xfl. Would anybody know what to do if I want NetBeans editor to support syntax coloring, indentation etc. for those files ? |
| 18:12:59 | Dean Iverson Write a new module suite. |
| 18:13:18 | Cesilko Wow, NB developer here ! |
| 18:13:21 | midicat IDE Configuration > System > Object Types |
| 18:13:41 | Glenn Holmer Tools / Options / Advanced / IDE Config / System / Object Types / XML Objects / Extensions |
| 18:13:53 | Cesilko Yes, midicat. This question is actually asked often on our nbusers mailing list. One has to simply register the extension to "XML Objects". |
| 18:13:53 | Dean Iverson Well, it is so easy with the project wizards in 5.0. |
| 18:14:03 | Cesilko In order to achieve that invoke "Tools|Options", push "Advanced Options" and select "IDE Configuration|System|Object Types|XML Objects" node. |
| 18:14:08 | Cesilko Push "..." button for "Extensions and MIME Types", type xfl into "Item:" field and push "Add" button. Close the dialogs and you are done. |
| 18:14:31 | Cesilko midicat was first and Glenn was precise. 0.5 point each ! |
| 18:14:34 | Glenn Holmer We use this feature to get HTML completion in Velocity templates, works great. |
| 18:15:00 | Gregg Sporar For another example, see: http://weblogs.java.net/blog/gsporar/archive/2006/05/jaxx_support.html |
| 18:15:16 | Cesilko BTW, current ranking: Glenn 3.5, Dean 2.5, midicat 3, avbravo 1 |
| 18:15:34 | Cesilko Last chance to win a point is approaching ... |
| 18:15:43 | keip left the conversation |
| 18:15:47 | Dean Iverson Go avbravo! |
| 18:16:06 | Cesilko So last bonus question. What is the name of monthly NetBeans HTML magazine ? |
| 18:16:36 | midicat the last question will be crucial |
| 18:16:36 | Glenn Holmer Sprout |
| 18:16:36 | midicat edge |
| 18:16:36 | Glenn Holmer Sprout |
| 18:17:02 | Cesilko The magazine is called The Edge but to be honest it's not issued every month. |
| 18:17:28 | Cesilko Midicat won the last point ! |
| 18:17:28 | Dean Iverson Uh...Netbeans Magazine? |
| 18:17:28 | avbravo NetBeans Magazine - Issue One - May 2006 |
| 18:18:06 | Dean Iverson avbravo: That's what I was thinking too. The first issue was pretty good. |
| 18:18:53 | Cesilko Ok, so we are done. Glenn, Dean and midicat won the prize. Congratulations guys ! |
| 18:19:01 | Glenn Holmer Yay! |
| 18:19:09 | Cesilko Will you give me your e-mails ? |
| 18:19:18 | Dean Iverson Thanks Cesilko, this was an enjoyable way to learn more about Netbeans. |
| 18:19:23 | midicat btw, my name is Cezariusz, I just forgot the password to my primary collab account |
| 18:19:45 | Cesilko Oh, that's you Cezarius ! |
| 18:19:47 | midicat ******.***@----.pl |
| 18:19:58 | Dean Iverson ******@-------.com |
| 18:20:01 | Cesilko OK, did you like the quiz ? |
| 18:20:09 | Glenn Holmer You could use this for periodic online tutorials, it would also encourage a sense of community and also show off the collaboration module. |
| 18:20:17 | midicat yes, it was a great challenge |
| 18:20:25 | Cesilko Cool then. |
| 18:20:27 | Glenn Holmer ******@-------.com |
| 18:20:47 | Dean Iverson Glenn: I agree. Learning about the collab module was the primary reason I decided to attend. I'm glad I did. |
| 18:21:11 | Cesilko Can you somebody please save the transcript and send it to me by e-mail please ? |
| 18:21:14 | midicat congratulations Cesilko, especially for the practical tasks |
| 18:21:28 | Gregg Sporar I'll send you the transcript |
| 18:21:33 | avbravo This was very important |
| 18:22:06 | Cesilko Cool, thanks ! What was important @ avbravo ? You mean practical ? |
| 18:22:19 | midicat great job Cesilko, too bad that there was quite a few participants |
| 18:22:45 | Cesilko I think they were either afraid of their knowledge or on vacation. |
| 18:23:26 | midicat I recall, that during netcat chats there were a problem with the time of the chat |
| 18:23:55 | Glenn Holmer I am on vacation too, I have to catch a train in an hour to go see Robin Trower |
| 18:24:04 | Cesilko I know but whole United States are already up ! |
| 18:24:28 | avbravo Meeting of the community |
| 18:24:28 | Cesilko So enjoy it Glenn. |
| 18:24:59 | Cesilko I see. And BTW do you think the questions were hard or easy as I wrote in my announcement ? |
| 18:25:13 | avbravo in panama the netbeans is used |
| 18:25:35 | Glenn Holmer Some hard, some easy; they made us think of features we don't use but maybe could. |
| 18:25:36 | midicat I would say moderate, some were at least not obvious |
| 18:25:37 | Cesilko How many people @ avbravo ? |
| 18:25:54 | Cesilko Like regular expressions ? |
| 18:26:01 | Dean Iverson I thought they were just right. Some I knew from following the comunity some were easy to find out. The practical questions were especially enjoyable. |
| 18:26:23 | midicat I didn't know the history of NetBeans for example |
| 18:26:40 | midicat agree Dean |
| 18:26:47 | Cesilko That's Google's job ! |
| 18:26:51 | Gregg Sporar I have to sign off in a moment, but before I do... |
| 18:27:03 | Glenn Holmer http://www.developer.com/java/other/print.php/631131 |
| 18:27:11 | Cesilko OK, thanks everybody for being so brave and came here ! |
| 18:27:15 | Gregg Sporar I have a bonus, bonus question. There will be no Q-points for this one. |
| 18:27:15 | midicat there were no time for Google, others were too fast |
| 18:27:32 | avbravo i working university |
| 18:27:51 | Cesilko Listening Greg ... |
| 18:27:54 | midicat and I didn't know, that I will lock up your machine trying to run the infinite loop in your IDE instead of mine (mine didn't lock) |
| 18:28:07 | avbravo Programmers in the banks |
| 18:28:09 | Gregg Sporar Okay, here goes. |
| 18:28:19 | Cesilko That was you Cezariusz ! |
| 18:28:47 | midicat yes |
| 18:28:51 | Gregg Sporar For some time now we've been working on a project to provide an entirely new type of refactoring tool. Can anyone tell me the name of that project? |
| 18:28:59 | Glenn Holmer Jackpot? |
| 18:29:03 | avbravo I am trying to install netbeans in reacts 0.3.0 |
| 18:29:12 | midicat I've seen the flash demo about collaborative running and debugging |
| 18:29:12 | Gregg Sporar And Glenn was the first to respond correctly! |
| 18:29:17 | Gregg Sporar Thank you Glenn. |
| 18:29:25 | Cesilko Glenn is the golem ! |
| 18:29:26 | Gregg Sporar I'm trying to understand how well people know about it |
| 18:29:32 | Glenn Holmer Isn't that what Dr. Gosling worked on? |
| 18:29:33 | midicat but I haven't an opportunity to try it before |
| 18:29:38 | Gregg Sporar For more info, the best place to start is here: http://www.netbeans.org/kb/articles/tom-ball-interview.html |
| 18:29:52 | Gregg Sporar And yes, Dr. Gosling started that project |
| 18:30:51 | Cesilko Fine, thanks for your Jackpot promo Greg and all the others for joining us ! |
| 18:31:15 | Gregg Sporar All right, thanks for organizing this! Bye! |
| 18:31:31 | Cesilko Bye ! |
| 18:31:39 | Gregg Sporar left the conversation |
| 18:31:44 | midicat thanks, bye |
| 18:32:05 | Glenn Holmer Bye everybody! |
| 18:32:19 | Glenn Holmer left the conversation |
| 18:32:53 | Cesilko Bye bye ! |
| 18:33:07 | avbravo bye |
| 18:34:17 | Dean Iverson Bye! |
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